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		<title>Comment on Conferences, inspiration, value by trib</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2010/02/04/conferences-inspiration-value/comment-page-1/#comment-23258</link>
		<dc:creator>trib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 02:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, I&#039;m not sure what the entire motivation of the TEDxSydney folks is, but I know the organisers and they&#039;re good folk. TEDxCanberra will be as open as possible - we have guests we want to invite, but all the other seats will be as close to free as possible and for anyone.

I think there&#039;s a place in the universe for The Eagles and punk. They are different experiences, neither of which is less or more than the other. As a TEDster, I can say that I&#039;ve had great experiences as both kinds of events, but they are very different. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I&#8217;m not sure what the entire motivation of the TEDxSydney folks is, but I know the organisers and they&#8217;re good folk. TEDxCanberra will be as open as possible &#8211; we have guests we want to invite, but all the other seats will be as close to free as possible and for anyone.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a place in the universe for The Eagles and punk. They are different experiences, neither of which is less or more than the other. As a TEDster, I can say that I&#8217;ve had great experiences as both kinds of events, but they are very different.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Conferences, inspiration, value by Matt Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is is taken from the Sydney TEDx web site: &quot;Live participation as a member of the Bay 17 Audience will be limited to a small but cross-sectional number of people: changemakers, innovators, thinkers, creatives, cultural leaders &amp; social pioneers.&quot;

Which sounds like a bit of a wank to me. To be fair, they are making the pressos available as an online feed for the plebs who are not invited into the inner sanctum.

As much as I like the quality of the presentations, it&#039;s that slight air of stilted exclusivity that I find off-putting about TED &amp; especially its children (who are essentially basking in its reflected glory). And why I much prefer the BarCamp / Open Space tradition.

TED is The Eagles. BarCamps are punk rock. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is is taken from the Sydney TEDx web site: &#8220;Live participation as a member of the Bay 17 Audience will be limited to a small but cross-sectional number of people: changemakers, innovators, thinkers, creatives, cultural leaders &amp; social pioneers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which sounds like a bit of a wank to me. To be fair, they are making the pressos available as an online feed for the plebs who are not invited into the inner sanctum.</p>
<p>As much as I like the quality of the presentations, it&#8217;s that slight air of stilted exclusivity that I find off-putting about TED &amp; especially its children (who are essentially basking in its reflected glory). And why I much prefer the BarCamp / Open Space tradition.</p>
<p>TED is The Eagles. BarCamps are punk rock.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Browsers, URLs, Facebook and expectations by Shane Perris</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2010/02/24/browsers-urls-facebook-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-23232</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 11:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of UX and comprehension fails, I only discovered how to subscribe to comment activity _after_ I hit send. Hence, this second comment so I can keep up to date.

Possibly operator error, but appropriate nonetheless. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of UX and comprehension fails, I only discovered how to subscribe to comment activity _after_ I hit send. Hence, this second comment so I can keep up to date.</p>
<p>Possibly operator error, but appropriate nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Browsers, URLs, Facebook and expectations by Shane Perris</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2010/02/24/browsers-urls-facebook-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-23231</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big fan of making things as easy, simple and obvious as possible for people. I think it&#039;s good business. Even those of us who are very experienced on the web have our bad days where we&#039;ve been up since 4am because the baby wouldn&#039;t sleep, you&#039;ve been fighting a cold for days, work has been one long death march for a week and you just want this one thing and why the hell isn&#039;t it working? 

Personally, I think it&#039;s good business to not make people think when viewing your site or using your product. Get out of the way and let the information and the viewer and/or customer get what they need. When I make things for others I always try and push this viewpoint. I&#039;m no guru and my end result never exactly meets my own expectations, but I think it&#039;s a worthwhile goal to aim for.

That&#039;s not to say everything has to be Neilsenesque picture of boring and ugly utility, but simple has its own beauty and charm :)

I think I may have strayed from your original point, trib, so please forgive my vague ramblings on the topic. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of making things as easy, simple and obvious as possible for people. I think it&#8217;s good business. Even those of us who are very experienced on the web have our bad days where we&#8217;ve been up since 4am because the baby wouldn&#8217;t sleep, you&#8217;ve been fighting a cold for days, work has been one long death march for a week and you just want this one thing and why the hell isn&#8217;t it working? </p>
<p>Personally, I think it&#8217;s good business to not make people think when viewing your site or using your product. Get out of the way and let the information and the viewer and/or customer get what they need. When I make things for others I always try and push this viewpoint. I&#8217;m no guru and my end result never exactly meets my own expectations, but I think it&#8217;s a worthwhile goal to aim for.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say everything has to be Neilsenesque picture of boring and ugly utility, but simple has its own beauty and charm <img src='http://www.acidlabs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think I may have strayed from your original point, trib, so please forgive my vague ramblings on the topic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On unblocking the corporate wall by Organisations still don&#8217;t get it: Social networking and social sites are reality &#124; Blog in Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Organisations still don&#8217;t get it: Social networking and social sites are reality &#124; Blog in Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Browsers, URLs, Facebook and expectations by Taryn Hicks</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2010/02/24/browsers-urls-facebook-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-23221</link>
		<dc:creator>Taryn Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m somewhere in the middle.

I agree that web developers should always keep things as easy to use as possible. But I also think that users should learn: but I know many are not provided with the opportunity to learn.

I worked on a large Help Desk for many years. A lot of our users requested basic training: right-click, where the Start Menu is, what a browser is, the address bar, etc.

Unfortunately our ICT department refused to even consider training for these people. Their justification? &quot;People should know this basic stuff by now&quot;.

I suspect it&#039;s like that in a lot of other workplaces too. There&#039;s an assumption that people should &quot;know this basic stuff&quot; by now, and many people write simply resort to writing down exactly what they need to do in a notebook and completing their work that way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m somewhere in the middle.</p>
<p>I agree that web developers should always keep things as easy to use as possible. But I also think that users should learn: but I know many are not provided with the opportunity to learn.</p>
<p>I worked on a large Help Desk for many years. A lot of our users requested basic training: right-click, where the Start Menu is, what a browser is, the address bar, etc.</p>
<p>Unfortunately our ICT department refused to even consider training for these people. Their justification? &#8220;People should know this basic stuff by now&#8221;.</p>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s like that in a lot of other workplaces too. There&#8217;s an assumption that people should &#8220;know this basic stuff&#8221; by now, and many people write simply resort to writing down exactly what they need to do in a notebook and completing their work that way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Browsers, URLs, Facebook and expectations by Ricky Onsman</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2010/02/24/browsers-urls-facebook-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-23214</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Onsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your description of &quot;most people using the web&quot;, and I think very few web professionals give credit to how low the web skills threshold is. I was seriously taken to task by a major media web manager for describing how I had seen a user in testing trying to use the Escape key as a Back button - he just wouldn&#039;t believe it. I&#039;m more worried about the professional&#039;s disbelief than I am about the user&#039;s habits.

As you point out, how people behave on the web has little to do with how smart they are, and it&#039;s our job to accommodate the range of user behaviour, even if it&#039;s unexpected or doesn&#039;t make sense to us.

One thing to bear in mind is that &quot;people using the web&quot; can be broken down into the intended audiences for specific web presences. If a web professional understands their client and the client&#039;s target audience / user group / market, there&#039;s nothing wrong with taking the likely level of web (and other) expertise into account when designing an experience intended for them. Just be aware that, the web being what it is, people other than your intended users are likely to see it as well - which may even be an opportunity if you handle it right.

I agree that web designers too often design websites that are terrific for web designers to use and very few other people. I think that&#039;s partly an effect of the way we work - often physically very solitary but convinced of the breadth and depth of our perspective by our connections via the web itself. 

Way too often websites are designed, built and launched with little or no user testing, nor any review of how people use it over time. Asking for a quick pre-launch peer review via Twitter or Facebook is not only not enough - it is likely to mislead you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your description of &#8220;most people using the web&#8221;, and I think very few web professionals give credit to how low the web skills threshold is. I was seriously taken to task by a major media web manager for describing how I had seen a user in testing trying to use the Escape key as a Back button &#8211; he just wouldn&#8217;t believe it. I&#8217;m more worried about the professional&#8217;s disbelief than I am about the user&#8217;s habits.</p>
<p>As you point out, how people behave on the web has little to do with how smart they are, and it&#8217;s our job to accommodate the range of user behaviour, even if it&#8217;s unexpected or doesn&#8217;t make sense to us.</p>
<p>One thing to bear in mind is that &#8220;people using the web&#8221; can be broken down into the intended audiences for specific web presences. If a web professional understands their client and the client&#8217;s target audience / user group / market, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with taking the likely level of web (and other) expertise into account when designing an experience intended for them. Just be aware that, the web being what it is, people other than your intended users are likely to see it as well &#8211; which may even be an opportunity if you handle it right.</p>
<p>I agree that web designers too often design websites that are terrific for web designers to use and very few other people. I think that&#8217;s partly an effect of the way we work &#8211; often physically very solitary but convinced of the breadth and depth of our perspective by our connections via the web itself. </p>
<p>Way too often websites are designed, built and launched with little or no user testing, nor any review of how people use it over time. Asking for a quick pre-launch peer review via Twitter or Facebook is not only not enough &#8211; it is likely to mislead you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Browsers, URLs, Facebook and expectations by Kolya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you are right - and that is why the iPad will be such a hit... people just want to get to their favourite sites - and icons seem to help them with that.

I still think that there is a &#039;floor&#039; of stupidity that needs to be set. Maybe my expectations are just higher than the norm? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you are right &#8211; and that is why the iPad will be such a hit&#8230; people just want to get to their favourite sites &#8211; and icons seem to help them with that.</p>
<p>I still think that there is a &#8216;floor&#8217; of stupidity that needs to be set. Maybe my expectations are just higher than the norm?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cluetrains, Conversations, Trust and Openness by Warlach</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2010/02/20/cluetrains-conversations-trust-and-openness/comment-page-1/#comment-23216</link>
		<dc:creator>Warlach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 01:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool presso. I especially like the way you presented my conversation with Telstra. May have to nick that at some point...

Under Creative Commons of course ;) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool presso. I especially like the way you presented my conversation with Telstra. May have to nick that at some point&#8230;</p>
<p>Under Creative Commons of course <img src='http://www.acidlabs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Cluetrains, Conversations, Trust and Openness by Warlach&#8217;s World &#187; Funerals, social media and Telstra - A Retrospective</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warlach&#8217;s World &#187; Funerals, social media and Telstra - A Retrospective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] some of you may have seen this story get a write up on Mumbrella and on Trib’s blog, it also permeated the mainstream press. This resulted in two interesting outcomes. One, a paper [...]</description>
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