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> <channel><title>Comments on: Social media beats heritage media on Mumbai reporting</title> <atom:link href="http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/</link> <description>Conversation. Collaboration. Community.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 02:35:30 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Craig Thomler</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17188</link> <dc:creator>Craig Thomler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:51:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17188</guid> <description>Another point to reflect on is that mainstream media is very selective on what it reports. Generally television, radio and print are linear channels who can only fill a minute, or column inch, with one news story, or one part of the story, using limited resources to do it.This means that they must select from multiple sources exactly what they choose to report - choosing one story from a much broader and richer canvas.Online media is not linear and doesn&#039;t have the same channel or resource limits.Therefore, by it&#039;s nature, online is able to paint a richer and deeper picture of events. It can capture and retain an almost 360 degree view of news, compared to the limited window provided by MSM.Part of the online channel&#039;s reporting is the MSM reporting. In effect, MSM becomes simply one of the sources for online citizen-driven media, with online providing a bigger picture of events.The last paradigm is becoming just one facet of the new paradigm, as has occurred time and time again in the past.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point to reflect on is that mainstream media is very selective on what it reports. Generally television, radio and print are linear channels who can only fill a minute, or column inch, with one news story, or one part of the story, using limited resources to do it.</p><p>This means that they must select from multiple sources exactly what they choose to report &#8211; choosing one story from a much broader and richer canvas.</p><p>Online media is not linear and doesn&#8217;t have the same channel or resource limits.</p><p>Therefore, by it&#8217;s nature, online is able to paint a richer and deeper picture of events. It can capture and retain an almost 360 degree view of news, compared to the limited window provided by MSM.</p><p>Part of the online channel&#8217;s reporting is the MSM reporting. In effect, MSM becomes simply one of the sources for online citizen-driven media, with online providing a bigger picture of events.</p><p>The last paradigm is becoming just one facet of the new paradigm, as has occurred time and time again in the past.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Reporting on #Mumbai - Comments on the weather</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17155</link> <dc:creator>Reporting on #Mumbai - Comments on the weather</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:11:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17155</guid> <description>[...] Stephen Collins has an excellent post up about the role of social media in reporting the tragic events in Mumbai. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stephen Collins has an excellent post up about the role of social media in reporting the tragic events in Mumbai. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen Collins</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17153</link> <dc:creator>Stephen Collins</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:48:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17153</guid> <description>Daniel, thanks for your input. While I&#039;m already sold on the validity of the social as a newsbreaking medium, I think the weight of commentary here validates my point.Now, if only Jay Rosen and Clay Shirky would comment here ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, thanks for your input. While I&#8217;m already sold on the validity of the social as a newsbreaking medium, I think the weight of commentary here validates my point.</p><p>Now, if only Jay Rosen and Clay Shirky would comment here <img
src='http://www.acidlabs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Scarnecchia</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17152</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Scarnecchia</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:36:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17152</guid> <description>Stephen, your point can be seen in an event that happened here in the states about a week ago.US Attorney General Mukasey collapsed delivering a speech at a dinner.  It was all over the twitterverse (including the excellent &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/breakingnewson&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@breakingnewson&lt;/a&gt;) for about an hour before the traditional media picked up on it.  In fact, it was on twitter before the EMTs arrived.The point of origin was &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/bamber&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@bamber&lt;/a&gt;, in attendance at the dinner, twittering.  It didn&#039;t take long for for it to spread after that.As for Mumbai, it&#039;s a lot easier to get up-to-date news via twitter than via the traditional media.  Yes, in some cases it isn&#039;t as accurate as hours old news that has been verified is, however, the signal to noise ratio is still pretty decent, I think due in part to the distributed nature of citizen journalism.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, your point can be seen in an event that happened here in the states about a week ago.</p><p>US Attorney General Mukasey collapsed delivering a speech at a dinner.  It was all over the twitterverse (including the excellent <a
href="http://twitter.com/breakingnewson" rel="nofollow">@breakingnewson</a>) for about an hour before the traditional media picked up on it.  In fact, it was on twitter before the EMTs arrived.</p><p>The point of origin was <a
href="http://twitter.com/bamber" rel="nofollow">@bamber</a>, in attendance at the dinner, twittering.  It didn&#8217;t take long for for it to spread after that.</p><p>As for Mumbai, it&#8217;s a lot easier to get up-to-date news via twitter than via the traditional media.  Yes, in some cases it isn&#8217;t as accurate as hours old news that has been verified is, however, the signal to noise ratio is still pretty decent, I think due in part to the distributed nature of citizen journalism.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Laurel Papworth</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17124</link> <dc:creator>Laurel Papworth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:47:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17124</guid> <description>@kalisana oops a misunderstanding here. MSM don&#039;t create content, they report it. So if I&#039;m interviewed, my story is placed up as MSM content. I then go home and tell my social network the same, or more, than made it on the 3 mins of evening news.By the way, if you really didn&#039;t learn anything more on Twitter than you did from Australian TV or newspapers (hard to believe) than I suggest you broaden your Twitter network. Try keeping an eye on the guys that are compiling this Google Docs list on Dead/hospital of #mumbai victims http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p_esnE-3Z3p-HehX1YOZIaw and also http://arunshanbhag.com/2008/11/27/mumbai-blasts-day-2/ @arunshanbhag.I saw at least three journos asking around on Twitter for Mumbai contacts. I mean, isn&#039;t MSM another distribution outlet for our news? Plonking a microphone/telephone/skype in front of a twitterer is not creating content, it&#039;s reporting it. Retweeting it away from Twitter no?Finally, and I dont&#039; expect agreement here, but when did we change and decide that social commentary was not news? Why can the evening news on Ten repeat what we saw on CNN during the day, and that&#039;s ok. But if Twitterers pass a link to CNN India around, it&#039;s just commentary and piggybacking off of &quot;serious&quot; media?My 2 cents worth, and now I&#039;ve spent it :(</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kalisana oops a misunderstanding here. MSM don&#8217;t create content, they report it. So if I&#8217;m interviewed, my story is placed up as MSM content. I then go home and tell my social network the same, or more, than made it on the 3 mins of evening news.</p><p>By the way, if you really didn&#8217;t learn anything more on Twitter than you did from Australian TV or newspapers (hard to believe) than I suggest you broaden your Twitter network. Try keeping an eye on the guys that are compiling this Google Docs list on Dead/hospital of #mumbai victims <a
href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p_esnE-3Z3p-HehX1YOZIaw" rel="nofollow">http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p_esnE-3Z3p-HehX1YOZIaw</a> and also <a
href="http://arunshanbhag.com/2008/11/27/mumbai-blasts-day-2/" rel="nofollow">http://arunshanbhag.com/2008/11/27/mumbai-blasts-day-2/</a> @arunshanbhag.</p><p>I saw at least three journos asking around on Twitter for Mumbai contacts. I mean, isn&#8217;t MSM another distribution outlet for our news? Plonking a microphone/telephone/skype in front of a twitterer is not creating content, it&#8217;s reporting it. Retweeting it away from Twitter no?</p><p>Finally, and I dont&#8217; expect agreement here, but when did we change and decide that social commentary was not news? Why can the evening news on Ten repeat what we saw on CNN during the day, and that&#8217;s ok. But if Twitterers pass a link to CNN India around, it&#8217;s just commentary and piggybacking off of &#8220;serious&#8221; media?</p><p>My 2 cents worth, and now I&#8217;ve spent it <img
src='http://www.acidlabs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kalisana</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17104</link> <dc:creator>kalisana</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:28:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17104</guid> <description>Laurel, Call me old fashioned but I really don&#039;t want my news outlet, be it MSM or social, to &quot;make&quot; the news. I expect it to report and to do so in a timely and accurate manner. I&#039;m not too fussed about bias as long as it&#039;s obvious and doesn&#039;t compromise accuracy.Stephen, I know MSM media beat the news up or down (I would blame individual editors for that) but manufacture news? I&#039;ve been in the game for than 20 years and I can&#039;t recollect an example (apart from the odd April Fools yarn). Sure, MSM gets things wrong from time to time but make things up? The only thing it makes up is the package and then it squeezes the news to fit.PS: I&#039;m not really old-fashioned as I began publishing news online in 1994. These days they would be called blogs; back then I had to hard-code the mongrels.PPS: I was the online editor at my MSM organisation for five harrowing years. I allowed myself to be removed from the position because I was sick of dealing with idiots who just didn&#039;t get &quot;it&quot;.PPPS: I really hoped Twitter would bring me more up-to-date information today (I have a soft spot for Mumbai&#039;s Colaba district and the Leopold in particualr) but all I really found was a lot of noise and not much substance.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurel, Call me old fashioned but I really don&#8217;t want my news outlet, be it MSM or social, to &#8220;make&#8221; the news. I expect it to report and to do so in a timely and accurate manner. I&#8217;m not too fussed about bias as long as it&#8217;s obvious and doesn&#8217;t compromise accuracy.</p><p>Stephen, I know MSM media beat the news up or down (I would blame individual editors for that) but manufacture news? I&#8217;ve been in the game for than 20 years and I can&#8217;t recollect an example (apart from the odd April Fools yarn). Sure, MSM gets things wrong from time to time but make things up? The only thing it makes up is the package and then it squeezes the news to fit.</p><p>PS: I&#8217;m not really old-fashioned as I began publishing news online in 1994. These days they would be called blogs; back then I had to hard-code the mongrels.</p><p>PPS: I was the online editor at my MSM organisation for five harrowing years. I allowed myself to be removed from the position because I was sick of dealing with idiots who just didn&#8217;t get &#8220;it&#8221;.</p><p>PPPS: I really hoped Twitter would bring me more up-to-date information today (I have a soft spot for Mumbai&#8217;s Colaba district and the Leopold in particualr) but all I really found was a lot of noise and not much substance.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen Collins</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17103</link> <dc:creator>Stephen Collins</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:59:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17103</guid> <description>@Laurel agree in as much as:- MSM has faults and weaknesses (in spades)
- individuals can and do break stories
- quoting other sources isn&#039;t news in and of itself
- MSM is no longer the only player (and decreasing in relevance)As opposed to agreeing that MSM makes news. MSM tries to manufacture news, and that&#039;s *never* been news.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laurel agree in as much as:</p><p>- MSM has faults and weaknesses (in spades)<br
/> - individuals can and do break stories<br
/> - quoting other sources isn&#8217;t news in and of itself<br
/> - MSM is no longer the only player (and decreasing in relevance)</p><p>As opposed to agreeing that MSM makes news. MSM tries to manufacture news, and that&#8217;s *never* been news.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Real Time Citizen Journalism in Mumbai Terrorist Attacks &#124; Gauravonomics Blog</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17094</link> <dc:creator>Real Time Citizen Journalism in Mumbai Terrorist Attacks &#124; Gauravonomics Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:06:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17094</guid> <description>[...] Update (11:45 am India time): Several bloggers are now discussing if Twitter has been a valid source of news during the Mumbai terrorist attacks &#8212; Mathew Ingram, Ewan McLeod, Jason Preston, Twitips, Tom, TechMacro, Riayn, Chris Maiorana, Laural Papworth, Stephen Collins. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Update (11:45 am India time): Several bloggers are now discussing if Twitter has been a valid source of news during the Mumbai terrorist attacks &#8212; Mathew Ingram, Ewan McLeod, Jason Preston, Twitips, Tom, TechMacro, Riayn, Chris Maiorana, Laural Papworth, Stephen Collins. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gaurav Mishra</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17093</link> <dc:creator>Gaurav Mishra</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:04:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17093</guid> <description>@Stephen: Here’s a roundup of social media coverage of the Mumbai terrorist attacks: http://www.gauravonomics.com/blog/real-time-citizen-journalism-in-mumbai-terrorist-attacks/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephen: Here’s a roundup of social media coverage of the Mumbai terrorist attacks: <a
href="http://www.gauravonomics.com/blog/real-time-citizen-journalism-in-mumbai-terrorist-attacks/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gauravonomics.com/blog/real-time-citizen-journalism-in-mumbai-terrorist-attacks/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Laurel Papworth</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting/comment-page-1/#comment-17092</link> <dc:creator>Laurel Papworth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:49:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/11/27/rock-paper-scissors-social-media-beats-heritage-media-on-mumbai-reporting-big-time/#comment-17092</guid> <description>Stephen how can you agree? o.OMSM has never &#039;made&#039; news. They report it. It&#039;s always been a distribution medium. (media being plural of medium or channel, not content). Twitterers report or retweet or distribute or filter news too.  Bloggers read a Mumbai girl driving past a hotel, or watch a Channel Ten broadcast talking to some starlet in a hotel - both cases the &#039;news&#039; is created by the women, not by the medium. Twitter adds a back channel.Most of the reporting on coverage that I saw was how bad it was. American media calling it an &quot;anti American&quot; attack when it clearly felled more local people than Americans. CNN India did a good job and Sky had a Twitter feed as a ticker tape but Australian TV was apalling - I sat through 6 hours of channel flicking free to air to report THAT fact.... and these days, we blog other bloggers articles, not MSM :P</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen how can you agree? o.O</p><p>MSM has never &#8216;made&#8217; news. They report it. It&#8217;s always been a distribution medium. (media being plural of medium or channel, not content). Twitterers report or retweet or distribute or filter news too.  Bloggers read a Mumbai girl driving past a hotel, or watch a Channel Ten broadcast talking to some starlet in a hotel &#8211; both cases the &#8216;news&#8217; is created by the women, not by the medium. Twitter adds a back channel.</p><p>Most of the reporting on coverage that I saw was how bad it was. American media calling it an &#8220;anti American&#8221; attack when it clearly felled more local people than Americans. CNN India did a good job and Sky had a Twitter feed as a ticker tape but Australian TV was apalling &#8211; I sat through 6 hours of channel flicking free to air to report THAT fact.</p><p>&#8230; and these days, we blog other bloggers articles, not MSM <img
src='http://www.acidlabs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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