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> <channel><title>Comments on: What a difference a week makes</title> <atom:link href="http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/</link> <description>Conversation. Collaboration. Community.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:58:01 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Alison</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-10353</link> <dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 10:06:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-10353</guid> <description>I travelled down from Sydney to attend WDG after winning the ticket at Canberra BarCamp. Initially I was uncertain that I was the &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; person to have won the much coveted door prize but opted to come anyway. As I&#039;m not from a government background nor am presently working in the APS I felt overwhelmed at first.Thankfully I knew a few of the other attendees otherwise I&#039;d have had a very difficult day. I felt as if a lot of the other attendees weren&#039;t overly approachable. Perhaps this was because there wasn&#039;t the underlying &#039;buzz&#039; that should be present at a conference which allows delegates to talk to each other about something cool they just saw in a presentation. Instead during talks I saw people more occupied with their laptops, phones, staring into the distance, and rolling their eyes at colleagues at some of the ideas being presented to them. I know I spent a lot of the day on my phone social networking in a lot of the talks about the content.Stephen you nailed the atmosphere of the day perfectly. In a few ways it a was relief to read your summary. I had worried that it was just me who felt &lt;i&gt;disconnected&lt;/i&gt; from the rest of the group. I found only some of the talks being over relevant to my background and interests, I didn&#039;t have a group of co-workers to mingle and gossip with during breaks and between sessions. I did float between groups containing people I knew but by and large felt quite separate.I did meet and catch up with quite a few interesting people; some of whom I have kept in touch with since returning to Sydney. However the most engaging conversations I had during my time at WDG were with other delegates were on topics not related to the content. Having attended a number of conferences focussing on different themes and areas of expertise I&#039;ve never felt the way I did at WDG before.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I travelled down from Sydney to attend WDG after winning the ticket at Canberra BarCamp. Initially I was uncertain that I was the <i>right</i> person to have won the much coveted door prize but opted to come anyway. As I&#8217;m not from a government background nor am presently working in the APS I felt overwhelmed at first.</p><p>Thankfully I knew a few of the other attendees otherwise I&#8217;d have had a very difficult day. I felt as if a lot of the other attendees weren&#8217;t overly approachable. Perhaps this was because there wasn&#8217;t the underlying &#8216;buzz&#8217; that should be present at a conference which allows delegates to talk to each other about something cool they just saw in a presentation. Instead during talks I saw people more occupied with their laptops, phones, staring into the distance, and rolling their eyes at colleagues at some of the ideas being presented to them. I know I spent a lot of the day on my phone social networking in a lot of the talks about the content.</p><p>Stephen you nailed the atmosphere of the day perfectly. In a few ways it a was relief to read your summary. I had worried that it was just me who felt <i>disconnected</i> from the rest of the group. I found only some of the talks being over relevant to my background and interests, I didn&#8217;t have a group of co-workers to mingle and gossip with during breaks and between sessions. I did float between groups containing people I knew but by and large felt quite separate.</p><p>I did meet and catch up with quite a few interesting people; some of whom I have kept in touch with since returning to Sydney. However the most engaging conversations I had during my time at WDG were with other delegates were on topics not related to the content. Having attended a number of conferences focussing on different themes and areas of expertise I&#8217;ve never felt the way I did at WDG before.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lisa</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-10128</link> <dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 00:21:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-10128</guid> <description>I just feel relieved that I&#039;m not the only one that noticed it... I was a bit neurotic when I came off stage! :&#124;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just feel relieved that I&#8217;m not the only one that noticed it&#8230; I was a bit neurotic when I came off stage! <img
src='http://www.acidlabs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen Collins</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-10127</link> <dc:creator>Stephen Collins</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 23:40:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-10127</guid> <description>Lisa, I strongly agree with you that attendees as much as presenters have a role to play in making content relevant to them at conferences. It helps if a presenter is skilled, but no presentation at a conference would have got on the agenda if the organisers didn&#039;t consider it relevant.I thought yours was particularly relevant. The issues of usability generally and accessibility specifically are at the heart of providing access to information and services online. Especially so for government.My issue with the whole day was not at all with the conference or content, but with the apparently disengaged audience. It really bugged me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I strongly agree with you that attendees as much as presenters have a role to play in making content relevant to them at conferences. It helps if a presenter is skilled, but no presentation at a conference would have got on the agenda if the organisers didn&#8217;t consider it relevant.</p><p>I thought yours was particularly relevant. The issues of usability generally and accessibility specifically are at the heart of providing access to information and services online. Especially so for government.</p><p>My issue with the whole day was not at all with the conference or content, but with the apparently disengaged audience. It really bugged me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lisa</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-10101</link> <dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 23:36:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-10101</guid> <description>As one of the presenters at WD Gov 08 I&#039;d love to hear more from audience participants about what they thought of the conference.The presentation I made is one I&#039;ve delivered on 3 different occasions and each time I received a lot of positive feedback both during and after the preso. But this time I found many people in the audience to be far less responsive, which threw me a bit.One of the general comments I&#039;ve heard about the conference is that the content wasn&#039;t specific enough to government. I can understand that and have taken it on board for other events. But I would like to say that there were a lot of presos where the content could easily be directly applied to any industry. Mine&#039;s a good example of that. I would hope that delegates were able to distil info well enough that they could apply it to their own work.I do agree that it is the responsibility of the presenter to develop and present engaging content and you can&#039;t please all the people all the time. But as a conference attendee I also think it&#039;s up to me to take what I can from a session. There have been times when I&#039;ve attended a session the sounded interesting but turned out that it just wasn&#039;t my thing. That&#039;s hardly the presenters fault.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the presenters at WD Gov 08 I&#8217;d love to hear more from audience participants about what they thought of the conference.</p><p>The presentation I made is one I&#8217;ve delivered on 3 different occasions and each time I received a lot of positive feedback both during and after the preso. But this time I found many people in the audience to be far less responsive, which threw me a bit.</p><p>One of the general comments I&#8217;ve heard about the conference is that the content wasn&#8217;t specific enough to government. I can understand that and have taken it on board for other events. But I would like to say that there were a lot of presos where the content could easily be directly applied to any industry. Mine&#8217;s a good example of that. I would hope that delegates were able to distil info well enough that they could apply it to their own work.</p><p>I do agree that it is the responsibility of the presenter to develop and present engaging content and you can&#8217;t please all the people all the time. But as a conference attendee I also think it&#8217;s up to me to take what I can from a session. There have been times when I&#8217;ve attended a session the sounded interesting but turned out that it just wasn&#8217;t my thing. That&#8217;s hardly the presenters fault.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shane</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-10050</link> <dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:43:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-10050</guid> <description>&lt;cite&gt;Specifically I don’t think that there is enough direction flowing downwards (or enough information flowing upwards for that matter). However it is the lack of direction and governance flowing downwards that is really disempowering.&lt;/cite&gt;I just wanted to respond to the above point of Patrick&#039;s, given that he was responding to my comment that lots of things flow down the chain of command but not much is allowed to flow back up.Patrick is right in that a big problem is direction (or lack thereof), but this is quite closely linked to the unidirectional flow down the chain and not the incompatible ideas that I &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; Patrick is saying they are (happy to be corrected if I&#039;m wrong here...)In the four departments I have worked in, one of the core transferable experiences has been a scatter gun approach from the pointy end. A high volume of requests/demands forces it way down the pipe with the hope that at least some of the outcomes will stick in a positive manner.  There is little engagement with how the flow will be implemented, only that it will and must be.It gets depressing to think of the amount of time I have wasted over the years implementing something that was requested from deep within the SES, only to have the outcome ignored or, worse, completely forgotten about.I don&#039;t see that the two concepts of one way flow and lack of direction need be exclusive ones.I really should stop leaving blog comments late at night. I fear I make less sense this way.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Specifically I don’t think that there is enough direction flowing downwards (or enough information flowing upwards for that matter). However it is the lack of direction and governance flowing downwards that is really disempowering.</cite></p><p>I just wanted to respond to the above point of Patrick&#8217;s, given that he was responding to my comment that lots of things flow down the chain of command but not much is allowed to flow back up.</p><p>Patrick is right in that a big problem is direction (or lack thereof), but this is quite closely linked to the unidirectional flow down the chain and not the incompatible ideas that I <em>think</em> Patrick is saying they are (happy to be corrected if I&#8217;m wrong here&#8230;)</p><p>In the four departments I have worked in, one of the core transferable experiences has been a scatter gun approach from the pointy end. A high volume of requests/demands forces it way down the pipe with the hope that at least some of the outcomes will stick in a positive manner.  There is little engagement with how the flow will be implemented, only that it will and must be.</p><p>It gets depressing to think of the amount of time I have wasted over the years implementing something that was requested from deep within the SES, only to have the outcome ignored or, worse, completely forgotten about.</p><p>I don&#8217;t see that the two concepts of one way flow and lack of direction need be exclusive ones.</p><p>I really should stop leaving blog comments late at night. I fear I make less sense this way.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: plasmaegg</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-10008</link> <dc:creator>plasmaegg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 11:44:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-10008</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;However it is the lack of direction and governance flowing downwards that is really disempowering. There is not much point having staff with great technical skills unless you can tell them what the problem is that you want a solution for. What happens is that technical people solve whatever (given the lack of direction) they perceive the problem to be. Guess what? It was the wrong problem!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I agree with this in general but do not necessarily think that SES are even aware that engaging with the public is could be done much better - especially with the younger generations - using social media tools etc, mainly because (and I generalise here) most of them are illiterate with respect to these tools.  And since I  believe we were at a conference talking about engaging with the public/each other from a social media perspective it seems like we are going to be pushing stuff uphill expecting SES etc to take a lead in this type of activity.  They simply don&#039;t get it.  The people who are aware at only now working there way up.  Its going to be a long slow process.As for doing something innovative its seems like the general public pays such little attention to what our departments do that its should be fairly easy to be innovative in this space, since its going to be hard work to get people to notice in the first place :-) naive? maybe but thats my perspective and perhaps part of the problem and solution all at the same time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>However it is the lack of direction and governance flowing downwards that is really disempowering. There is not much point having staff with great technical skills unless you can tell them what the problem is that you want a solution for. What happens is that technical people solve whatever (given the lack of direction) they perceive the problem to be. Guess what? It was the wrong problem!&#8221;</p></blockquote><p>I agree with this in general but do not necessarily think that SES are even aware that engaging with the public is could be done much better &#8211; especially with the younger generations &#8211; using social media tools etc, mainly because (and I generalise here) most of them are illiterate with respect to these tools.  And since I  believe we were at a conference talking about engaging with the public/each other from a social media perspective it seems like we are going to be pushing stuff uphill expecting SES etc to take a lead in this type of activity.  They simply don&#8217;t get it.  The people who are aware at only now working there way up.  Its going to be a long slow process.</p><p>As for doing something innovative its seems like the general public pays such little attention to what our departments do that its should be fairly easy to be innovative in this space, since its going to be hard work to get people to notice in the first place <img
src='http://www.acidlabs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> naive? maybe but thats my perspective and perhaps part of the problem and solution all at the same time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: plasmaegg</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-10007</link> <dc:creator>plasmaegg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 11:25:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-10007</guid> <description>@Patrick The real issues for me being an EL1 in the APS are the lack of facetime I get with SES - talking branch head and above.  Its feels like we are kept at arms length but for the most part its because the SES are just too busy managing up to effectively manage down.  Whatever flow down there is comes through a couple layers of middle management - interpreted and filtered before it get anywhere near us.  Similary for information going back up - unless I make the effort to actually walk upstairs into my branch heads office (assuming she&#039;s there) I would get nil face time with her and face time with div head and above is non-existent as is the possibility of face time.  Its nobody&#039;s fault - those levels of APS operate in such different circles, we may as well be on different planets.  The promise of social tools etc is that maybe just maybe we can establish linkages with people outside our section/branch, @ heaven forbid higher levels then us. (Twitter for instance has allowed me to communicate with people around the globe that I would never have been able to talk to outside of professional conference or contracts) This is a necessary cultural change from my perspective for the APS and social media comm&#039;s has a role to play in this.  Similarly  it would seem that social media tools has a role to play with increasing the engagement between depts and the public.none of this is to say that we aren&#039;t all trying - and that there aren&#039;t good people at all levels - but the comms/information/idea sharing between levels/internal/external is happening in channels that are not open to discussion.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick The real issues for me being an EL1 in the APS are the lack of facetime I get with SES &#8211; talking branch head and above.  Its feels like we are kept at arms length but for the most part its because the SES are just too busy managing up to effectively manage down.  Whatever flow down there is comes through a couple layers of middle management &#8211; interpreted and filtered before it get anywhere near us.  Similary for information going back up &#8211; unless I make the effort to actually walk upstairs into my branch heads office (assuming she&#8217;s there) I would get nil face time with her and face time with div head and above is non-existent as is the possibility of face time.  Its nobody&#8217;s fault &#8211; those levels of APS operate in such different circles, we may as well be on different planets.  The promise of social tools etc is that maybe just maybe we can establish linkages with people outside our section/branch, @ heaven forbid higher levels then us. (Twitter for instance has allowed me to communicate with people around the globe that I would never have been able to talk to outside of professional conference or contracts) This is a necessary cultural change from my perspective for the APS and social media comm&#8217;s has a role to play in this.  Similarly  it would seem that social media tools has a role to play with increasing the engagement between depts and the public.</p><p>none of this is to say that we aren&#8217;t all trying &#8211; and that there aren&#8217;t good people at all levels &#8211; but the comms/information/idea sharing between levels/internal/external is happening in channels that are not open to discussion.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen Collins</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-10004</link> <dc:creator>Stephen Collins</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 10:31:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-10004</guid> <description>@Patrick, I&#039;ll run with the mea culpa. Happy to see that (with a more careful reading and clarification) that we do largely agree on a number of the issues. I have been thinking that this post feels a bit too negative and am preparing a more positive piece on communication that I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll see eye-to-eye on.Yes, like many businesses, the public sector has enormous communication issues between the management and doer layers. I think that&#039;s a huge issue that needs dramatic revolution. But revolution is hard (and there are hard decisions to be made).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick, I&#8217;ll run with the mea culpa. Happy to see that (with a more careful reading and clarification) that we do largely agree on a number of the issues. I have been thinking that this post feels a bit too negative and am preparing a more positive piece on communication that I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll see eye-to-eye on.</p><p>Yes, like many businesses, the public sector has enormous communication issues between the management and doer layers. I think that&#8217;s a huge issue that needs dramatic revolution. But revolution is hard (and there are hard decisions to be made).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrick Keogh</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-9999</link> <dc:creator>Patrick Keogh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 10:07:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-9999</guid> <description>Oh, and by the way, the &quot;you’re not talking to the people I am&quot; and &quot;You need to be talking to some of the people I do in order to see how they are feeling about all these things&quot; I&#039;ll take with a grain of salt. As a consultant I work at this interface every day. SES and EL1/EL2 staff, in a range of government organisations are my workplace. There is even a some overlap with the organisations that you have done some work for. Admittedly I only have only a scant few decades of doing this... :-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and by the way, the &#8220;you’re not talking to the people I am&#8221; and &#8220;You need to be talking to some of the people I do in order to see how they are feeling about all these things&#8221; I&#8217;ll take with a grain of salt. As a consultant I work at this interface every day. SES and EL1/EL2 staff, in a range of government organisations are my workplace. There is even a some overlap with the organisations that you have done some work for. Admittedly I only have only a scant few decades of doing this&#8230; <img
src='http://www.acidlabs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrick Keogh</title><link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/comment-page-1/#comment-9995</link> <dc:creator>Patrick Keogh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 10:02:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/05/21/what-a-difference-a-week-makes/#comment-9995</guid> <description>Stephen, it was the later part of the quote I was disagreeing with, and it sounds like you are agreeing with me in general on this specific point. The original quote indicated that there is (if anything) too much downwards communication. I believe (and you seem to agree) that perhaps there is too little, or at least it isn&#039;t of sufficient quality or about the right things.I think you missed the point of my second comment. It wasn&#039;t that we need to be in one place to be able to communicate. It was that if a government make a bold, innovative, &quot;best practice&quot; step it will be criticised. So if we want government to do this then there will be costs, mistakes, u-turns, all the things that come from innovation. I am just cautioning people to be ready to support government when it is costly, makes mistakes, back-tracks on things. Otherwise you are asking for government to be a long way away from the leading edge.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, it was the later part of the quote I was disagreeing with, and it sounds like you are agreeing with me in general on this specific point. The original quote indicated that there is (if anything) too much downwards communication. I believe (and you seem to agree) that perhaps there is too little, or at least it isn&#8217;t of sufficient quality or about the right things.</p><p>I think you missed the point of my second comment. It wasn&#8217;t that we need to be in one place to be able to communicate. It was that if a government make a bold, innovative, &#8220;best practice&#8221; step it will be criticised. So if we want government to do this then there will be costs, mistakes, u-turns, all the things that come from innovation. I am just cautioning people to be ready to support government when it is costly, makes mistakes, back-tracks on things. Otherwise you are asking for government to be a long way away from the leading edge.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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