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	<title>Comments on: A &#8220;just do it&#8221; approach to IT projects in government</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Echidna</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4997</link>
		<dc:creator>Echidna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A big part of the problem with IT development in the government sector is the terrible decision to outsource some parts of each department's IT.  In my current department it was the infrastructure that was outsourced, so there is a third-party involved every step of the way - as if change control procedures aren't sufficiently onerous anyway.  In other departments the infrastructure is managed in-house and the applications are supported by external companies.  Some departments have multiple outsourced agreements.  This seriously increases the overhead on development projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big part of the problem with IT development in the government sector is the terrible decision to outsource some parts of each department&#8217;s IT.  In my current department it was the infrastructure that was outsourced, so there is a third-party involved every step of the way - as if change control procedures aren&#8217;t sufficiently onerous anyway.  In other departments the infrastructure is managed in-house and the applications are supported by external companies.  Some departments have multiple outsourced agreements.  This seriously increases the overhead on development&nbsp;projects.</p>
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		<title>By: nortypig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Just Do It Approach</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4402</link>
		<dc:creator>nortypig &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Just Do It Approach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Collins suggests that there should be a Just Do It Approach to IT Projects in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Collins suggests that there should be a Just Do It Approach to IT Projects in&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: BrianF</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4401</link>
		<dc:creator>BrianF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that major upgrades require change management, it's incredibly frustrating when minor patches, fixes and corrections are subjected to the same degree of scrutiny and interminable timelines. Correcting typo's in interfaces or information shouldn't mean re-testing an entire application. Installing a point upgrade to something that is already accepted and will actually resolve a known problem shouldn't require a new project. Some govt IT departments are so risk averse that it's basically impossible to introduce change, and it is only periodically forced upon them when their technology is simply no longer supported.

As for Govt 2.0, frankly there's a lot of govt work that you don't want to see, in the sense that it's utterly boring. I support govt web services but I don't really want to be in a 'community' with the Tax Office (though I know some nice people who work there). 

Depending on your politics, I'd argue there's also a lot of govt work they don't really want you to see, eg, lobbying and funding. But there's way more of the plain boring stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that major upgrades require change management, it&#8217;s incredibly frustrating when minor patches, fixes and corrections are subjected to the same degree of scrutiny and interminable timelines. Correcting typo&#8217;s in interfaces or information shouldn&#8217;t mean re-testing an entire application. Installing a point upgrade to something that is already accepted and will actually resolve a known problem shouldn&#8217;t require a new project. Some govt IT departments are so risk averse that it&#8217;s basically impossible to introduce change, and it is only periodically forced upon them when their technology is simply no longer supported.</p>
<p>As for Govt 2.0, frankly there&#8217;s a lot of govt work that you don&#8217;t want to see, in the sense that it&#8217;s utterly boring. I support govt web services but I don&#8217;t really want to be in a &#8216;community&#8217; with the Tax Office (though I know some nice people who work there). </p>
<p>Depending on your politics, I&#8217;d argue there&#8217;s also a lot of govt work they don&#8217;t really want you to see, eg, lobbying and funding. But there&#8217;s way more of the plain boring&nbsp;stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4397</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@STeven Clark - I agree that web (and IT generally) units in a number of government departments are staffed with demotivated people for whom the web is a job, rather than a passion. I think this needs to change.

That said, I also know a number of &lt;em&gt;very motivated and very smart&lt;/em&gt; people in government agency web units who are stifled less by themselves and more by organisational inertia and management resistance to change and the introduction of new approaches and exploitation of new opportunities. Eventually this will change. Until then, things &lt;em&gt;unfortunately&lt;/em&gt; need to be done under the radar and gradually to encourage change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@STeven Clark - I agree that web (and IT generally) units in a number of government departments are staffed with demotivated people for whom the web is a job, rather than a passion. I think this needs to change.</p>
<p>That said, I also know a number of <em>very motivated and very smart</em> people in government agency web units who are stifled less by themselves and more by organisational inertia and management resistance to change and the introduction of new approaches and exploitation of new opportunities. Eventually this will change. Until then, things <em>unfortunately</em> need to be done under the radar and gradually to encourage&nbsp;change.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4396</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@KatB - While I wasn't a member of the ICS project, thankfully, I'd personally have no issue with identifying with failed or problem projects.

What I would be doing along with that is identifying what I had a hand in that was done right on the project, that I wasn't listened to where I identified issues (if I did) and potential solutions to those issues and ultimately the lessons I took out of the project.

Every project, even the disasters, has the potential to be a valuable learning experience and people will respect you for being prepared to identify with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@KatB - While I wasn&#8217;t a member of the ICS project, thankfully, I&#8217;d personally have no issue with identifying with failed or problem projects.</p>
<p>What I would be doing along with that is identifying what I had a hand in that was done right on the project, that I wasn&#8217;t listened to where I identified issues (if I did) and potential solutions to those issues and ultimately the lessons I took out of the project.</p>
<p>Every project, even the disasters, has the potential to be a valuable learning experience and people will respect you for being prepared to identify with&nbsp;that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4394</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 01:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the issues I see with gov't websites is that there seems to be no room to clear out the cobwebs among the web team... I admit my exposure has only been very briefly in two departments at State level.

While gov't personel just flop from dept to dept and no real incentive to push new ideas why rock the boat right?

Just my opinion in passing. Some people will do a "get and sit" in their jobs if there's no incentive to try to improve. The first thing gov't need are new blood coming in rather than just passing old hands around. Its simply about bringing in change agents and new blood.

Web 2.0 Gov't sounds good but my point is the people mostly in positions to push that through are either "get and sit" or not IT in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the issues I see with gov&#8217;t websites is that there seems to be no room to clear out the cobwebs among the web team&#8230; I admit my exposure has only been very briefly in two departments at State level.</p>
<p>While gov&#8217;t personel just flop from dept to dept and no real incentive to push new ideas why rock the boat right?</p>
<p>Just my opinion in passing. Some people will do a &#8220;get and sit&#8221; in their jobs if there&#8217;s no incentive to try to improve. The first thing gov&#8217;t need are new blood coming in rather than just passing old hands around. Its simply about bringing in change agents and new blood.</p>
<p>Web 2.0 Gov&#8217;t sounds good but my point is the people mostly in positions to push that through are either &#8220;get and sit&#8221; or not IT in the first&nbsp;place.</p>
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		<title>By: KatB</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4388</link>
		<dc:creator>KatB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst Australian govt. IT project award would definately have to go to the team that did ICS. It is so bad, it's beyond process: the team was clearly and unbelievably incompetent. Perhaps it is the tendering process in the beginning that is borked? 

Would you admit to being a part of that team, if you were?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst Australian govt. IT project award would definately have to go to the team that did ICS. It is so bad, it&#8217;s beyond process: the team was clearly and unbelievably incompetent. Perhaps it is the tendering process in the beginning that is borked? </p>
<p>Would you admit to being a part of that team, if you&nbsp;were?</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Maurer</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4111</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Maurer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - I'm not saying the status quo is right. I'm saying that we need not to evangelise either end of the agile-waterfall spectrum, and remember there are real people with real human abilities and frailties to consider. I've worked on waterfall projects that were truly user-centred throughout and achieved remarkable results; and agile projects that dumped unusable rubbish on people regularly. It isn't the methodology that makes it work.

PS - I'm a designer, not a usability tester ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James - I&#8217;m not saying the status quo is right. I&#8217;m saying that we need not to evangelise either end of the agile-waterfall spectrum, and remember there are real people with real human abilities and frailties to consider. I&#8217;ve worked on waterfall projects that were truly user-centred throughout and achieved remarkable results; and agile projects that dumped unusable rubbish on people regularly. It isn&#8217;t the methodology that makes it work.</p>
<p>PS - I&#8217;m a designer, not a usability tester&nbsp;;)</p>
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		<title>By: zac spitzer</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4100</link>
		<dc:creator>zac spitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good applications do smart things well, using an iterative approach can deliver really good results when your team members are smart enough to think things out, but they need to be exposed to the business as well. 

Just because your using an iterative approach, doesn't mean you users are going to be combating constant change

Often on projects the developers are quite isolated from their users, communicating thought a PM 'interface' which limits their chance to develop an broad understanding and come up with smart solutions. The silo approach is so 1990's. 

Solving those niggling problems elegantly can make a big difference on a project. That doesn't mean taking a cowboy approach, but often just fixing these kind of problems can saves a lot of time and raises team moral. Never underestimate team moral. 

Striking the right balance is important. The tools we work with have improved dramatically in the last 10 years. A different project management approach is required than was used in the days of predominately C++ development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good applications do smart things well, using an iterative approach can deliver really good results when your team members are smart enough to think things out, but they need to be exposed to the business as well. </p>
<p>Just because your using an iterative approach, doesn&#8217;t mean you users are going to be combating constant change</p>
<p>Often on projects the developers are quite isolated from their users, communicating thought a PM &#8216;interface&#8217; which limits their chance to develop an broad understanding and come up with smart solutions. The silo approach is so 1990&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Solving those niggling problems elegantly can make a big difference on a project. That doesn&#8217;t mean taking a cowboy approach, but often just fixing these kind of problems can saves a lot of time and raises team moral. Never underestimate team moral. </p>
<p>Striking the right balance is important. The tools we work with have improved dramatically in the last 10 years. A different project management approach is required than was used in the days of predominately C++&nbsp;development.</p>
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		<title>By: James Governor</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/30/a-just-do-it-approach-to-it-projects-in-government/#comment-4095</link>
		<dc:creator>James Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Donna's point service delivery is a spectrum and should be treated as such.

There are those that think its satisfactory to spend three years building a system spec'd out by business process consultants that never talked to the people who would actually use the app, and then give the people at the sharp end a day's training on the new system by someone that didn't write, and will never use, it. 

That's one approach to change management. absolutely. Those that are resistant to change know best, and we should do everything we can to support their needs.

But I am a tad surprised that an expert in usability testing is apparently keen to defend the status quo in public sector IT delivery. If you think its working Donna, good on you. But I would like to see my taxes better spent, with public sector employees happier and less shat on. Waterfall, and massive upgrades just don't work. The proof is by experience.

Andrew- have you ever used Facebook? There are plenty of things not to like about it is "a truly humane web 2.0 output that fills a human need while being cognisant of human frailties". If the public sector could begin to deliver a fraction of Facebook's usability to employees and citizens we'd all be in much better shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Donna&#8217;s point service delivery is a spectrum and should be treated as such.</p>
<p>There are those that think its satisfactory to spend three years building a system spec&#8217;d out by business process consultants that never talked to the people who would actually use the app, and then give the people at the sharp end a day&#8217;s training on the new system by someone that didn&#8217;t write, and will never use, it. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s one approach to change management. absolutely. Those that are resistant to change know best, and we should do everything we can to support their needs.</p>
<p>But I am a tad surprised that an expert in usability testing is apparently keen to defend the status quo in public sector IT delivery. If you think its working Donna, good on you. But I would like to see my taxes better spent, with public sector employees happier and less shat on. Waterfall, and massive upgrades just don&#8217;t work. The proof is by experience.</p>
<p>Andrew- have you ever used Facebook? There are plenty of things not to like about it is &#8220;a truly humane web 2.0 output that fills a human need while being cognisant of human frailties&#8221;. If the public sector could begin to deliver a fraction of Facebook&#8217;s usability to employees and citizens we&#8217;d all be in much better&nbsp;shape.</p>
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