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	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 05:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Phillip Molly Malone's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Molly Malone's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Second Life, Skype, Even Google Won&#8217;t Blocked By The Australian Government?...&lt;/strong&gt;

 Scare Mongering! Remember when it used to be the term used to describe the way the Howard government used to justify the war on Terror. You know, be vigilant, the guy next door could blow you up, is it safe going to the footy or is a terrorist trying ...</description>
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<p> Scare Mongering! Remember when it used to be the term used to describe the way the Howard government used to justify the war on Terror. You know, be vigilant, the guy next door could blow you up, is it safe going to the footy or is a terrorist trying&nbsp;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NathanaelB</title>
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		<dc:creator>NathanaelB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 06:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know how hard it is to program the regular expressions to filter out "bad" words from form text input ... and I also know it's impossible to catch them all. Absolutely impossible. Just look at what people do to get spam past your email spam filter.

And then we're taking this to the next level and attempting Internet censorship; the only way I see that this could be guaranteed is by having someone sitting at the ISP's HQ looking at every page their users are requesting and visually assessing the content and either allowing or denying ... and that is not an economical or feasible option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know how hard it is to program the regular expressions to filter out &#8220;bad&#8221; words from form text input &#8230; and I also know it&#8217;s impossible to catch them all. Absolutely impossible. Just look at what people do to get spam past your email spam filter.</p>
<p>And then we&#8217;re taking this to the next level and attempting Internet censorship; the only way I see that this could be guaranteed is by having someone sitting at the ISP&#8217;s HQ looking at every page their users are requesting and visually assessing the content and either allowing or denying &#8230; and that is not an economical or feasible&nbsp;option.</p>
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		<title>By: Our Benevolent Federal Government should Filter More &#124; www.nickhodge.com</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/01/dumb-decision-by-our-new-government-over-net-filtering/#comment-3558</link>
		<dc:creator>Our Benevolent Federal Government should Filter More &#124; www.nickhodge.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] commented over on Stephen Collin&#8217;s Blog: Dumb decision by our new government over ‘Net filtering. Some people mention this is a mere policy dump on the last day of 2007  OK, can we then get our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] commented over on Stephen Collin&#8217;s Blog: Dumb decision by our new government over ‘Net filtering. Some people mention this is a mere policy dump on the last day of 2007  OK, can we then get our&nbsp;[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/01/dumb-decision-by-our-new-government-over-net-filtering/#comment-3541</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, as a former IT manager myself and  having implemented content filtering systems in the workplace because ADULTS can't be trusted to use unfiltered internet access appropriately, why should we expect children - especially teenagers - to use unfiltered access appropriately?

And these were well informed adults who knew the workplace policies on internet access. So how can we expect children to follow the "policies" we teach them? We don't actually, that's why schools have content filtering in place.

This should be an opt-out system because then those who choose to have full access are then responsible for internet access in their homes. But that's not to assume that the feed will be totally clean nor foolproof and that I should not still have measures in place in my home. But it will be much cleaner, as I'm sure the UK feed is *cleaner* not clean.

It's about making it more difficult. When I was a teenager, getting hold of porn was very difficult because there were laws in place to make it difficult for me - like it being in plastic wrappers and not available to minors. The only porn I got to see before I was 18 was the very, very occasional mag nicked from some lax dad's collection. But if I was a teen now on this unfiltered internet, I'd be having a field day - no matter what my parents taught me.

Re your argument about the opt-out system where you say "This strikes me as a risky approach where those that opt out could be branded as wanting access to inappropriate material", well, in an opt-in system, those who choose not to opt-in "could be branded as wanting access to inappropriate material."

And we don't need an opt-in or opt-out system to find out who's using the internet inappropriately. ISPs have access logs and they could easily set triggers for inappropriate sites if directed by a higher authority.

Should libraries give people access to any and all printed material? Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler etc?  And then it's up to the parents only - not the library and librarians as well - to ensure children under 18 don't read or borrow anything inappropriate? 

It's not JUST the parents' responsibility to help prevent children from accessing inappropriate material on the internet, it's everyones. It those who run the sites, those who provide the access, those who govern us, our kids' friends' parents, our schools etc. 

I am yet to hear any valid and rational argument from those who oppose content filtering at ISP level. It's all just paranoia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, as a former IT manager myself and  having implemented content filtering systems in the workplace because ADULTS can&#8217;t be trusted to use unfiltered internet access appropriately, why should we expect children - especially teenagers - to use unfiltered access appropriately?</p>
<p>And these were well informed adults who knew the workplace policies on internet access. So how can we expect children to follow the &#8220;policies&#8221; we teach them? We don&#8217;t actually, that&#8217;s why schools have content filtering in place.</p>
<p>This should be an opt-out system because then those who choose to have full access are then responsible for internet access in their homes. But that&#8217;s not to assume that the feed will be totally clean nor foolproof and that I should not still have measures in place in my home. But it will be much cleaner, as I&#8217;m sure the UK feed is *cleaner* not clean.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about making it more difficult. When I was a teenager, getting hold of porn was very difficult because there were laws in place to make it difficult for me - like it being in plastic wrappers and not available to minors. The only porn I got to see before I was 18 was the very, very occasional mag nicked from some lax dad&#8217;s collection. But if I was a teen now on this unfiltered internet, I&#8217;d be having a field day - no matter what my parents taught me.</p>
<p>Re your argument about the opt-out system where you say &#8220;This strikes me as a risky approach where those that opt out could be branded as wanting access to inappropriate material&#8221;, well, in an opt-in system, those who choose not to opt-in &#8220;could be branded as wanting access to inappropriate material.&#8221;</p>
<p>And we don&#8217;t need an opt-in or opt-out system to find out who&#8217;s using the internet inappropriately. ISPs have access logs and they could easily set triggers for inappropriate sites if directed by a higher authority.</p>
<p>Should libraries give people access to any and all printed material? Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler etc?  And then it&#8217;s up to the parents only - not the library and librarians as well - to ensure children under 18 don&#8217;t read or borrow anything inappropriate? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not JUST the parents&#8217; responsibility to help prevent children from accessing inappropriate material on the internet, it&#8217;s everyones. It those who run the sites, those who provide the access, those who govern us, our kids&#8217; friends&#8217; parents, our schools etc. </p>
<p>I am yet to hear any valid and rational argument from those who oppose content filtering at ISP level. It&#8217;s all just&nbsp;paranoia.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandatory censorship of the internet at Michael Specht - discussions on HR and technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandatory censorship of the internet at Michael Specht - discussions on HR and technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/01/dumb-decision-by-our-new-government-over-net-filtering/#comment-3538</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, completely in agreement with you ... gee I'm disappointed with New Leadership right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, completely in agreement with you &#8230; gee I&#8217;m disappointed with New Leadership right&nbsp;now.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Hodge</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/01/dumb-decision-by-our-new-government-over-net-filtering/#comment-3537</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Hodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, the government has been swayed by the politics of putting up censorship on the internet.

OK, can we then get our trusty government and ACMA to stop the SPAM I get from Nigerian scammers living on the Gold Coast; offers to enlarge my crown jewels and keep them shiny and bigger than other jewels; Phishing attempts for all those offshore bank accounts on dodgy islands in the Pacific; get-rich-quick schemes co-promoted by members of border religious hill cults.

Thanks

But please don't block lolcats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, the government has been swayed by the politics of putting up censorship on the internet.</p>
<p>OK, can we then get our trusty government and ACMA to stop the SPAM I get from Nigerian scammers living on the Gold Coast; offers to enlarge my crown jewels and keep them shiny and bigger than other jewels; Phishing attempts for all those offshore bank accounts on dodgy islands in the Pacific; get-rich-quick schemes co-promoted by members of border religious hill cults.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>But please don&#8217;t block&nbsp;lolcats.</p>
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		<title>By: TOASTiclese</title>
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		<dc:creator>TOASTiclese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A challenger appears:

http://www.explodingtoast.com/?p=10

Government’s new Internet protection proposal decried by the great unwashed: “Won’t somebody please think of the pornography?”

There has been much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the geekosphere regarding the Australian government’s proposed Internet protection measures. Indeed, it seems that the major error on government’s part was to release the news on New Year’s Eve, with the inner circle of the dorkerati stuck at home with too few of their World of Warcraft clanmates online to form a raiding party and nothing better to do than shoulder blogs and let launch with the sound bites...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A challenger appears:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.explodingtoast.com/?p=10" rel="nofollow">http://www.explodingtoast.com/?p=10</a></p>
<p>Government’s new Internet protection proposal decried by the great unwashed: “Won’t somebody please think of the pornography?”</p>
<p>There has been much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the geekosphere regarding the Australian government’s proposed Internet protection measures. Indeed, it seems that the major error on government’s part was to release the news on New Year’s Eve, with the inner circle of the dorkerati stuck at home with too few of their World of Warcraft clanmates online to form a raiding party and nothing better to do than shoulder blogs and let launch with the sound&nbsp;bites&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/01/dumb-decision-by-our-new-government-over-net-filtering/#comment-3525</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 12:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really understanding the technical issues, I just think that this is another cop out for this generation of parents who seem to want the government to fix many of the problems in society. Your points about the responsibility of parents in managing the internet are no different to the many other things that we do to protect our kids.

Very well put. I think it would be better if they concentrated on getting the infrastructure/pricing/deregulation of the Telstra monopoly sort of stuff fixed rather than touting this populist stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really understanding the technical issues, I just think that this is another cop out for this generation of parents who seem to want the government to fix many of the problems in society. Your points about the responsibility of parents in managing the internet are no different to the many other things that we do to protect our kids.</p>
<p>Very well put. I think it would be better if they concentrated on getting the infrastructure/pricing/deregulation of the Telstra monopoly sort of stuff fixed rather than touting this populist&nbsp;stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.acidlabs.org/2008/01/01/dumb-decision-by-our-new-government-over-net-filtering/#comment-3507</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick "do we really want our country to dumb down the internet?" ROFLMAO! Is that possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick &#8220;do we really want our country to dumb down the internet?&#8221; ROFLMAO! Is that&nbsp;possible?</p>
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